Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both

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In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all—security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished foremost was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.
                                                                                                                        Edward Gibbon, English historian and member of Parliament, commenting on Ancient Athens in The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, published in six volumes between 1776 and 1788.

Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both.
                                                                                                                        John Adams

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Thomas Jefferson
•I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

•It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

•I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

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To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them
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Albert Einstein
•Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.

•Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war.

•Never do anything against conscience, even if the state demands it.

•The world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it.

•Small is the number of them that see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.

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"Government is not reason, it's not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it's a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington

kaleege

坚决反对用liberty交换security，民众绝不能放弃自己拥有榴弹炮，迫击炮，坦克，TNT，原子弹的自由。没有了这种自由就是lose both。
另外说一句我的名言：
用鸡汤代替思考的人 don't deserve both ——卡利哥。

ssgo2008

在法制社会中，必然有自由与安全的合理妥协，光有安全没有自由其实就是法西斯， 光有自由无安全就是无政府主义。

kaleege

dsb 发表于 2016-1-12 15:19
大家快来看啊， 卡利哥又满地打滚了， 老万一句毫无问题的： don't trade liberty for security   卡利哥 ...

思考深度=0.001...经不起半点拷问...不问你了，问了你也只有尿遁的份。

kaleege

ssgo2008 发表于 2016-1-12 16:08
在法制社会中，必然有自由与安全的合理妥协，光有安全没有自由其实就是法西斯， 光有自由无安全就是无政府 ...

同意。合理折衷妥协是普遍存在的。折衷的自由的例子随处都是。比如交通规则就是自由换安全。什么“不能用自由换安全”，其实就是个剥离了语境的鸡汤段子而已，不能literally来理解。

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James Madison, Helevidius, No. 3, 1793
If there be a principle that ought not to be questioned within the United States, it is, that every nation has a right to abolish an old government and establish a new one. This principle is not only recorded in every public archive, written in every American heart, and sealed with the blood of a host of American martyrs; but is the only lawful tenure by which the United States hold their existence as a nation.

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That religion or the duty which we owe to our creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence, and therefore all men have an equal, natural, and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience and that no particular religious sect or society of Christians ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others.

George Mason

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Adolf Hitler: “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

The EU government are presently causing the problem through mass immigration by refugees. But, surely, the very idea that such an influx of uncontrollable people could be a good thing is preposterous. How could anyone ever believe that any good could come of this?

Adolf Hitler: “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and, eventually, they will believe it.”

kaleege

万得福 发表于 2016-2-1 13:38
Adolf Hitler: “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full g ...

希特勒的鸡汤可以和任何给美国promise的政客相类比。
川普说，把老穆和老墨都ban掉，Make America Great Again！
希特勒说，把犹太人都抓起来，德国就领导世界了！
鸡汤党真好当。用鸡汤代替思考，真是简单贴心又舒心。

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　　共产党人不屑于隐瞒自己的观点和意图。他们公开宣布：他们的目的只有用暴力推翻全部现存的社会制度才能达到。让统治阶级在共产主义革命面前发抖吧。无产者在这个革命中失去的只是锁链。他们获得的将是整个世界。

　　全世界无产者，联合起来！
——（共产党宣言）

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What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence?

It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, our army, and our navy.

These are not our reliance against tyranny. All of those may be turned against us …

Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in us.
Lincoln stated at Edwardsville, Illinois, September 11, 1858

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1、消灭麻雀。忙时吃干，闲时吃稀。
2、要考虑取消薪水，恢复供给制。
3、现在看来搞十几亿人口也没问题，把地球上的人通通集中到中国来粮食也够用!将来我们要搞地球委员会，搞地球统一计划，哪里缺粮，我们就送给他。
4、粮食多了怎么办?国家不要，谁也不要，农业社员们自己多吃嘛!一天吃五顿也行嘛!
5、大概十年左右，可能产品非常丰富，道德非常高尚，我们就可以从吃饭、穿衣、住房子上实行共产主义，城市乡村一律叫公社，不叫工厂，大学、街道都办公社，如鞍钢叫鞍山公社，不叫工厂。
6、大城市要分散，乡村就是小城市，每个公社都将路修宽一点，可以落飞机，每个省都搞一二百架飞机，每个公社平均两架，大省自己搞飞机工厂。
7、公共食堂，吃饭不要钱，就是共产主义。
8、赶超英国，不是十五年，也不是七年，只需两到三年，两年是可能的!
9、为五年接近美国，七年超过美国这个目标而奋斗吧!
10、七亿人口搞七亿吨钢。三至七年之内建成一个工业大国。
11、民法和刑法那一类法律都不需要了。民法刑法那样多条谁记得了?一搞大跃进，就没时间犯法了。
12、有一回哥老会抢了我家，我说，抢得好，人家没有嘛。
13、除了大办水利以外，还有各种各样的任务，钢铁、铜、铝、煤碳、运输、加工工业、化学工业，需要人很多，这样一来，我看搞起来，中国非死一半人不可，不死一半也要死三分之一或者十分之一，死五千万人。
14、一九五九年第一次庐山会议本来是搞工作的，后来出了彭德怀，说你操了我四十天娘，让我娘二十天行不行?这一操，就被搅乱了，工作受到影响。
15、打麻将十三张牌，基本靠手气，谁知道搞钢铁这么复杂?9000万人上阵炼钢，比6000万人要好。有一点损失，我也一点不痛心，横直没有经验。……9000万人上阵，表明了它的全民性，建设速度大大提高了。

16、知识越多越反动。
17、医学教育用不着收什么高中生初中生，高小毕业学三年就够了。华佗读的是几年制?明朝的李时珍读的是几年制?
18、大学还是要办的，我这里说的是理工科大学。资产阶级统治我们学校的现象再也不能继续下去了。
19、农业大学办在城里不是见鬼吗?农业大学要统统搬到乡下去。
20、在农村，则应由工人阶级最可靠的同盟军贫下中农管理学校。
21、知识青年到农村去，接受贫下中农再教育很有必要，扎根农村干一辈子革命。
22、不要考试，考试干什么?一样不考才好呢!对于考试一概废除，搞个绝对化。
23、去搞阶级斗争，那是大学，可以学到很多东西。什么北大、人大，还是那个大学好!我就是绿林大学的，在那里学了点东西。
24、《红楼梦》我看了五遍，也没有受影响，我是把它当历史读的┅　┅《红楼梦》里阶级斗争很激烈，有好几十条人命。
25、从前我在学校里是不守规矩的，只是以不开除为原则的。考试嘛，五、六十分以上，八十分以下，七十分为准。好几门学科我是不搞的，要搞有时没办法，有的考试我就交白卷，考几何我就画一个鸡蛋，这不是几何吗?因为是一笔，交卷最快。
26、中国知识分子有几种。工程技术人员接受社会主义要好一些。学理科的其次。学文科的最差。

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Under a gold standard, the amount of credit that an economy can support is determined by the economy’s tangible assets, since every credit instrument is ultimately a claim on some tangible asset. […] The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit.


— Alan Greenspan, 1966

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Thomas Jefferson wrote about Alexander Hamilton in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush:

The room being hung around with a collection of the portraits of remarkable men, among them were those of Bacon, Newton and Locke. Hamilton asked me who they were. I told him they were my trinity of the three greatest men the world had ever produced, naming them. He paused for some time: "The greatest man," said he, "that ever lived, was Julius Caesar." Mr. Adams was honest as a politician as well as a man; Hamilton honest as a man, but, as a politician, believing in the necessity of either force or corruption to govern men.